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Carbon tax and the global warming fraud

By: D. H. Williams @ 3:12 PM - EST

Have you noticed that every major corporate owned media program on television and on the internet is telling you to be green and to monitor your carbon dioxide emissions? The message is clear the planet is in peril and you are the cause. Now that the problem has been identified you will be presented with the Diocletian solution. That solution will involve your activities being controlled and taxed by the global elite.

The global warming fraud has deep roots going back to the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Club of Rome’s publication, “Limits to Growth.”

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill … All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”

~ Taken from a report titled, “The First Global Revolution” (1991)

Through numerous endowments and trusts the global elite promote programs and policies which advance their desires to control the western world. By using the specter of the global warming boogey man they can justify policies of corporate monopoly, theft of individual production through never ending taxation, destruction of individual liberty, population reduction and the suppression of developing nations around the world.

In a new book by the President of the Czech Republic, Vsclav Klaus titled “Blue Planet in Green Shackles” He says, The largest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy, and prosperity at the end of the 20th and at the beginning of the 21st century is no longer socialism,” writes Klaus. “It is, instead, the ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism.”

The global warming religion is based in faith not science. It is well documented that global warming began about 18,000 years ago as the Earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age melting the ice cap covering most of North America, Europe and Asia. The fact is the Earth is constantly going through changes in temperature caused by cycles in the sun, the earth’s tilt and elliptical orbit, the wobble in the Earth’s orbit, heat retention in the atmosphere, continental drift, and undersea ridge activity.

During most of our planets history it has been a cold, dry and inhospitable place supporting few forests but plenty of glaciers and deserts say paleoclimatologists. Glaciers have completely destroyed entire regional ecosystems several times. Most recently from 1400 A.D. to 1860 A.D. the Earth’s climate cooled again in what was dubbed “The Little Ice Age.” During this time society experienced harsh winters, food shortages, and a drier climate. Many Irish know this time well as it cased the “Potato Famine.” Historically the temperatures we are experiencing now are equal to the levels of the “Medieval Warm Period,” which existed from approximately 1000 A.D. to 1350 A.D. There was another warming period from 200 B.C. to 600 A.D. known as the “Roman Warming.”

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.

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I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious.”

~ Founder of the Weather Channel, John Coleman

The fake environmentalist movement will of course ignore all of this data and instead point to the year 1860 when the Earth began a warming period and claims it is due to the impact of human industrialization even though this is 50 years before automobiles and industry began emitting CO2.

Unveiled: the real purpose of the global warming fraud, the carbon tax.

Not hindered by facts the global warming fraudsters will move to the next step in their plan which is controlling individuals, business and government through regulation and taxes on carbon dioxide emission. To this end the Carbon Tax Center (”CTC”) was launched in January 2007, “to give voice to Americans who believe that taxing emissions of carbon dioxide — the primary greenhouse gas — is imperative to reduce global warming.”

The CTC’s purpose is stated on their website: “The next Administration and Congress will be called upon to address 21st Century climate realities. In a carbon-constrained world, a permanent, essential feature of U.S. policy must be a carbon tax that reduces the emissions that are driving global warming.” One central feature of the global warming religion will be that every citizen in the U.S. and Europe will be issued and Carbon Emission Card which must be presented in order to buy and sell.

Global warming has little to do with the improving the environment or reducing pollution. The real agenda is taxation and further consolidation of authority into a powerful centralized and increasingly global government.

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Leave us your opinion of global warming and what you think about paying a carbon tax.


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23 comments ↓

#1 Mike Harmon on 05.31.08 at 4:00 pm

I discovered your homepage by coincidence.
Very interesting posts and well written.
I will put your site on my blogroll.
:-)

#2 MA on 06.02.08 at 11:11 pm

I didn’t read it all, didn’t need to. Utter drivel.

http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Boys, if you didn’t realise it, you’re beating a dead mule. You lost. A long time ago. You just look dumber with every post you make.

#3 M.A. Hargett on 06.03.08 at 11:22 am

Dear MA,

Some fine rebuttals were found at the gristmill site, and anybody who cites wikipedia as a key source should have his head examined.

Perhaps you should instead seek the opinions of scientists at NASA and researchers at Duke who support the view that the anthropogenic effect global warming is negligible and warming has occurred throughout the solar system.

More important than anything, whether man-made or not, global warming is a matter far too important to be entrusted to the hands of grasping, conniving government officials, desperate to find yet another way to spread misery equally among the populace.

Some examples where government intervention has created the opposite effect:
1. Public Education has as its purported goal that every child would be capable of reading, writing and basic mathematics. Since its advent the literacy rates in the U.S. are lower than ever.
2. The Federal Reserve was created to curb inflation. Its purpose was to prevent the crack-up of global dollar hegemony. In less than 100 years the dollar has been devalued by 97% and it continues to fall.
3. Medicare, Medicaid and HMO legislation were devised to create “affordable” health care for all Americans. Since the 1960’s when these programs were initiated health care costs have outpaced inflation 2-to-1 in almost every case.

The list goes on and on: more people died after Vioxx was approved by the FDA than died in the elixir episode that solidified that awful, misguided body; Americans are less safe with our troops spread throughout the world to “keep the peace;” the Dept. of Homeland Security protects the government rather than the citizens.

Let’s assume global warming is caued by humans. Were you to establish a Department of Global Warming Prevention I guarantee you would find that within a century of its establishment global warming will be progressing at double the anticpated rate, while those who regulate would congratulate themselves because it didn’t progress at four times the rate forecasted.

#4 MA on 06.03.08 at 12:55 pm

1. Wikipedia is not the source - it is a reference to reputable sources. If you’d bothered looking at it, this would have been obvious. Hand waving off Wikipedia is a constant refuge for those with little or no evidence to back up their claims. I suspect you actually know this and use the tactic in the same dishonest way that all deniers of reality do.

2. *The* NASA are very clear on their position - http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html. Also, read James Hansen (director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies) - http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-on-the-edge-466818.html. Perhaps you are referring to some other ‘NASA’? Difficult to tell as you provide no references to back up your assertions.

3. Duke University? Why would the opinion of a deeply deluded bible college be of any consequence? They believe in gods, for which there is no evidence, so it’s reasonable to expect they believe many other things without evidence.

4. “global warming…too important to be entrusted to the hands of grasping, conniving government officials…[paranoid rant]”
Were you not aware that that’s how democracies work? We vote in representatives and they make decisions on our behalf? Also, the politicians didn’t just dream this ’scheme’ up - they are reacting to incontrovertible scientific evidence. Are you also aware that anthropogenic climate change will affect the rest of the planet? Not just your corner of USA?

5. I have no response to your paranoid rant about government conspiracies, although it does make clear the clarity of your thought process.

6. There’s no need to “assume global warming is caued by humans.” It’s been proved beyond any reasonable doubt. Every national academy of science of the major industrialized countries agrees that current global warming is anthropogenic (http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619).

7. As I said, there’s little point in these debates. It’s already been decided and sideshow deniers, such as yourself, are becoming increasingly irrelevant. You’re the equivalent of moon landing deniers, the only difference is that everyone who denies the reality of GW and continues with their gluttonous lifestyles is slowly but surely polluting the planet for future generations.

#5 M.A. Hargett on 06.03.08 at 9:08 pm

RE Global Warming Skepticism: What I point to is that there is no broad consensus and no “proof” of anthropogenic global warming. Evidence is not proof, and there are reputable scientists who view the same evidence arriving at a contrary conclusion.

Your idea that nothing constructive can come of continuing the debate, The Church of Global Warming’s chief prophet Gore’s unwillingness to face his critics, for example (as an aside, the former V.P. along with many of the “unbiased” research scientists stand to lose boatloads of cash if global warming turns out to be a hoax, how’s that for a comparison to the old time religions) is both harmful and ludicrous.

As for your claim that I engage in a “paranoid rant” about the ineffectiveness of government, every claim I stake is provable, because unlike your SPECULATION about tomorrow’s climate, I refer to historical FACT.

-Illiteracy has reached new bottoms in the U.S. thanks to the public school boondoggle.

-The dollar has been devalued by the very body trusted to “protect” it.

-Health care costs remained flat and even started to decrease until Medicare/Medicaid and HMO’s came along.

-The FDA did approve Vioxx without performing the necessary tests and as a result THOUSANDS of people died. Of course, only Merck can take the fall in this case because suing the FDA is about as fruitless as suing the IRS.

-American military adventures over the last 100 years (and really more if you count the Indian wars, etc.) have done nothing except incite hatred against the American people and were the major contributing factor in the breeding of Islamic terrorism.

-The Department of Homeland Security has as its central motivation the protection of the powerful from the powerless: further insulation of the government from the governed.

There is nothing paranoiac or delusional about any statement I have made, and, while I am certainly no expert in chemistry, meteorology or astronomy I know one thing for certain: The governments of planet earth have no business pretending to “protect” the planet they have wantonly and willingly destroyed.

The largest human producers of CO2 have always been governments and they will continue to do so as they attempt to “save the world” for future generations. The only people who will be forced to “cut back” are those of us who can barely afford to live anyway following the destruction of our food supplies (thanks to government subsidies to ethanol) our purchasing power (thanks to the Federal Reserve) and our jobs (thanks to “free trade” agreements).

Can the elitist horse-hockey and your casting of stones over “gluttonous lifestyles” in the westernized world. As I sit in front of my ancient computer resting on a secondhand folding table having just finished a lettuce sandwich, you’re probably using Wi-Fi at Starbucks, drinking your Half-Caff or driving your massive-carbon-footprint-required-to-produce hybrid and giving dirty looks to soccer moms in their gas-guzzling Dodge Durango’s.

Your phony mea culpas don’t lead you to put an end to your personal expulsion of CO2, so either wake up or take your own advice: Think globally, act locally and save the planet… you know the rest.

#6 admin on 06.03.08 at 9:23 pm

To M.A. Hargett - You make some great points in your retort to MA. I would like to invite you to become a Daily Newscaster and publish your writings as official D N posts.

#7 MA on 06.04.08 at 12:56 pm

I note that you completely ignore the fact that I disproved your earlier assertions. That is part of the reason nothing constructive can come out of the debate, but also because there is nothing left to debate as far as the *reality* of anthropogenic climate change is concerned. The only point is to highlight the idiocy of those who cling to their wrongheaded and dangerous belief.

You keep claiming there is no “broad consensus”. I have already answered this and you have ignored my response. I shall repeat myself - every national academy of science of all the major industrialized countries on the planet confirm anthropogenic climate change:
* http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619
* http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=20742
* http://www.pik-potsdam.de/aktuelles/archiv/aktuelle/dateien/G8_Academies%20Declaration.pdf
* http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/13/221250/49

How much consensus do you need? To continue denying the reality is simple delusion and / or dishonesty. I can’t imagine what global conspiracy you can construct to explain away the agreement of *every* major industrialized country on the planet. It can only be achieved with deep delusion and stupidity.

You then move off on some tangent about ‘big government’ and the collapse of society. A blatant attempt to move goalposts and focus away from the fact that I have disproved each of your earlier assertions. I will simply reply that the ineffectiveness of government on other, unrelated issues has absolutely no bearing on the reality of man-made climate change.

“The largest human producers of CO2 have always been governments…”

Evidence? No, I didn’t think so - as usual. I’m not even sure what you mean by ‘governments’. Do you mean official buildings? Air Force 1? Bush’s fleet of limos? You think that will amount to more than the ~700 million cars on the planet? Or the tens of thousands of coal-fired power planets around the world? You really haven’t thought this through, have you?

However, you are correct that there is a hoax in play - but you’ve fallen for it. It was perpetrated by the energy companies who have been funneling tens of millions in to a propaganda machine for at least the past decade. Exxon Mobil alone has pumped in ~$28 million since 1997 (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/exxon-secrets-analysis-of-fun) to fund dozens of groups who have produced little more than lies to confuse the public. They would consider you one of their successes.

My personal habits are completely irrelevant to the issue, but I’ll bite on your ad hominem. I sold my car 3 years ago and now walk / cycle / public transport almost everywhere. I very occasionally hire a car when there is no alternative. I recycle everything that I can. I eat local produce when possible. I’m comfortable that I’m practicing what I preach - I’m wide awake and I see people like you, who need waking up.

Also, I chose the word ‘gluttony’ carefully - http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_usa_per_per-energy-usage-per-person

Ultimately you make the same mistake that nearly every climate change denier makes - you think that consuming less will cost you more. Further, you are more concerned about your immediate financial status than the long-term viability of this planet to sustain humanity. This all appears to stem from a deep sense of entitlement - “I deserve”, “I want” and “I need” take prioirty over all else. It’s repugnant to see it in so many people.

Still, your denial of reality and evidence-free rhetoric will do nothing to change the fact that the governments of the world have recongised the enormity and urgency of the problem. The times are changing, thank the gods.

P.S. No surprise that ‘admin’ wants your contribution - they need every soul they can get their hands on to man the rapidly sinking denial ship.

P.P.S. A link dump for y’ all to educate yourselves:
* http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics
* http://www.realclimate.org/
* http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=12d547f8-af20-490a-9049-b22c5f2c5df9
* http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/19/ethicalliving.g2
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction_event
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition + http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/oregon-petition-redux/

#8 MA on 06.04.08 at 2:15 pm

To note: I made an extensive reply hours ago. Hopefully it’s being held in moderation and not censored.

#9 admin on 06.04.08 at 2:20 pm

MA - As an approved poster your comments are no longer moderated. All comments should appear as fast as the server activity allows. Here at Daily Newscaster we welcome debate. Thank you.

#10 MA on 06.04.08 at 9:17 pm

I’ve tried resubmitting and Wordpress tells me “duplicate post” and goes no further. Perhaps it was automatically held and is sat in the moderation queue?

#11 admin on 06.04.08 at 9:24 pm

Sorry MA your post was picked up by Aikismet as spam. I despammed it for you.

#12 MA on 06.05.08 at 8:58 am

OK, but still not showing….

#13 MA on 06.05.08 at 8:59 am

oops - I didn’t page up. It’s there!

#14 joe on 06.19.08 at 3:06 pm

Wanna reduce your carbon footprint to zero? Go jump off a bridge. Until then leave the rest of us alone. You might not mind living in a third world country, and assuming you don’t, there are plenty of them to choose from so get packing and go but don’t think you have the right to lower the standard of living of everyone else around you because you believe global warming is real. Your belief is just that, a belief. Your corrupt scientists and politicians telling you GW is real are no better than the Pope and the College of Cardinals telling you God is real. I notice it’s mostly young people who believe in GW probably because none of you have been alive along enough to make a personal observation about the climate beyond 5-10 years. I’ve been alive long enough to know that I have not suffered any more from the temperature in recent years than when I was a child. If GW was real, shouldn’t incidents of skin cancer from sun exposure be getting worse? Shouldn’t it take less time to suffer a serious burn from sun exposure than in the past? I have the whitest skin imaginable, so I burn easily, but it doesn’t take any less time to burn or burn any worse than it did when I was 5.

#15 Interesting on 07.03.08 at 1:06 pm

Worst response ever ^

#16 Legend on 07.04.08 at 5:08 pm

For what it’s worth, anyone who posts a link on “How to Talk to Skeptics” that turns out to be little more than a list of pre-fabricated counters to arguments that a skeptic may use has quickly lowered themselves to that of a programed sheep in my book. You’ve shown that I can no longer assume that you have the capacity to think for yourself and that any argument you bring forth has the potential of being nothing more than a pre-fabricated rebuttal that someone has programed you to say. You know, just like cult members in a cult.

To MA: I don’t understand your anger. Your words sound as if you actually hate M.A. Hargett for believing what he or she does. I also enjoyed the throwing around of reference links and harping over the lack there of like they are the concrete to make your argument solid. Reference links don’t solidify anything. They just show where you got your information from. I can go find just as many links to contradict yours.

They become a mute point and serve only to breed more sheep. Most people don’t look past the links they’re given. They don’t do the research themselves. So their conclusions are the ones that you’ve given them. It’s a cheap trick. If I really want to see who I think is right, then I’ll research the the argument myself and come to my own conclusions.

P.S. I loved how you attacked the admins for inviting Hargett to be a Daily Newscaster. I think that’s the last small step you needed to take to present yourself as a full fledged environmental extremist. The angry and arrogant tone throughout your posts kind of had me leaning towards it, but you made it obvious that you were nothing but with that little whimsical medley of extremist banter. And Finally…

The anger in your posts made you sound quite desperate to keep people from believing Hargett. While the arrogance and name calling only made you look like a programed fool.

#17 admin on 07.04.08 at 5:47 pm

Legend - The saddest part about those who buy into Malthusian Earth worship is they miss the real point of true enviromentalism. Such as clean water owned by the public and reducing pollution by large corporation who are by far the biggest contaminators of the planet.

#18 Legend on 07.04.08 at 7:52 pm

I tried not to get sucked into this debate. I mostly just wanted to point out the attitude MA has about it since it’s the attitude usually seen when someone is losing ground and isn’t liking it. Like in this case, the Global Warming advocates.

A lot of what I’ve read and heard about is much like the above article. Global Warming advocates get angered and extremely (for lack of a better word) pissy when their views are challenged. That attitude solves nothing and only serves to escalate tension on both sides of the fence. It shouldn’t be that way.

Here’s my honest opinion. You want to end pollution? Then we need to end all existing government and completely shift who has the money in this world from the rich and getting richer to those that would truly want to help. A lot of the Global Warming issues come back to one thing. Oil.

It’s the most important natural resource on this planet right now aside from air and water. Why is it still the most important resource? Because it runs the world. If it was gone tomorrow the world would stop for quite awhile. Much money would be lost by those whose pocket books are kept full through producing oil to sell if a competitor were to come along. So these very rich and powerful men keep these competitors from ever seeing the light of day.

You’d be amazed at how many alternative fuel patents are owned by oil companies and/or companies owned by oil companies.

Taxing CO2 isn’t the answer. It just makes rich men richer. It will also ensure the worlds dependence on oil lasts even longer. It seems to me that the taxes lost at the gas pumps will be recouped at the exhaust pipe. That’s all this CO2 tax will do in my opinion.

I truly want to see hydrogen become the standard for powering vehicles. 2 problems solved at once. Clean burning fuel with clean water to be the result.

#19 admin on 07.04.08 at 9:06 pm

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#20 Gary on 07.21.08 at 12:48 pm

It is amazing to me how the global warming activists (like “MA” up above) don’t even want a debate. They claim total victory, total proof, and a scientific consensus. As in “MA”, he gives you a link to a site and that is PROOF !!! What a joke.
I was going to make this a very detailed “scientific data” argument, but I’m going to keep it simple instead.
There are many very prominent scientists speaking out against the claims of the global warming supporters. There’s a petition that has been signed by over 31,000 scientists and climatologists proclaiming that the global warming alarm is a fraud. The list grows by hundreds every day. To me, this disqualifies Gore’s claim that the scientific community has reached a consensus. Where is it, Al?
Al Gore presented “scientific” evidence for his claims, but not all science is fact. Many studies are paid for by someone with an agenda, and the results are manipulated to the satisfaction of that “funder”. Question is, what would Al Gore stand to gain by doing what he’s doing? If it’s nothing other than helping the planet and mankind, I would give him more credence. However, this man is getting rich off of this. There goes nuetrality.
Al Gore made millions off his movie, but that’s not all. He is part owner of a carbon credits company overseas, and he helps run it. When he talks about people buying carbon credits to offset their CO2 usage, he’s talking about you giving your money to him…literally. When he tells you that he offsets his carbon footprint by buying carbon credits, he is actually only investing money into his own business. In essence, the money goes back into his own pocket.
You can tell if someone actually believes in a cause they are fighting for by the way they behave in their own personal lives. Well, how does Al Gore stand up to this test?
He fails, miserably. Just one of his homes uses as much energy in a year as 230 average households use in a month….combined. All the while he is constantly flying around in private jets. Private jets dispense a whole lot more CO2 per passenger than public airliners do. All the while he’s telling us to ride a bike he’s ripping it up in the skies, wasting energy and dispensing CO2 like there’s no tomorrow.
He justifies this by telling us that he buys carbon credits to offset his energy usage. Well, remember that I said he owned his own carbon credits company? He pays himself to offset his usage.
Tell me something……If I pay someone else to pick up a ton of trash somewhere else (in the spirit of keeping a clean environment), does that entitle me to take a ton of trash and dump it out on the streets where I live? Of course not. If I am pushing the idea of trash removal, it would be on every front. Al Gore seems to think he can pollute as much as he wants as long as he buys carbon credits from someone who promises to remove the same amount of CO2 that he emitted (hence, “offset”). And, that “someone” happens to be his own company. What a joke.
Anyway, I’m starting to ramble. There’s a lot of scientific evidence against Al Gore’s claims, but not enough room to list them here. All I wanted to point out was Al Gore’s hypocricy and what he is gaining from all this hype. He’s gaining a lot, which gives him every motive to lie and create hysteria.

#21 Tuzo on 07.21.08 at 1:12 pm

MA

Anthropogenic Global Warming is your religion.

There is NO conclusive scientific proof that human activities are the PRIMARY reason for the recent warming trend which began to level off in 1998. “Consensus” does not equate to proof. Your weak, foolish intellect is already convinced of something were there is NO CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING.

Pathetic

#22 seachange on 08.07.08 at 11:22 pm

I was referred to this blog through a link in another and read this post and the subsequent comments with a great deal of interest. M.A. Hargett’s debate with MA was very interesting to read - MA even made what to some might be considered convincing arguments. But, for what my opinion is worth, M.A. Hargett definitely won the day!

However, it was the thoughtful comments by Legend and Gary that struck a chord with me - something I had not really twigged to before - that AGW devotees defend their beliefs with a stridency and anger that, as Legend pointed out, suggests they know they are losing ground. I would go further and suggest they may not be a fully committed to their stance as they would have the rest of us believe. They sound desperate and there is almost always an ad hominem component to their arguments. This seems to be a pretty well universal response.

I am so weary of hearing GHG’s (and by that we are really only talking about C02) being described as ‘pollutants’. Where is the lobby to rid our air of the smog over Beijing, Mexico City, Toronto et al? That ain’t C02, folks.

Personally, I think the climate is warming although capricious weather patterns confuse the issue some. Here in my neck of the woods (western Canada) we are having the coolest summer I can remember and I am no spring chicken. I do NOT think there is an anthropogenic cause. I DO think that an atmosphere that is richer in C02 helps increase the world’s food supply and wonder how this is construed as a bad thing.

I am not sure I am persuaded yet that there is an organized conspiracy - it is actually something I had not previously considered (but will do so now) but I do know that miffed (read that as having been discarded as ’so yesterday’) media whores (Gore and, here in Canada, Suzuki) are following the money (sorry about all the parenthesis ;0) and living large.

It does occur to me that there may be a very vested interest by the first world to make good and sure there will always be a third world - the poorest nations are going to be hurt the most by the AGW religion, should it come to full bloom.

Thanks for letting me comment - I will visit back here again often.

#23 the proof doesn't matter on 12.19.08 at 1:33 pm

If you live your life as you should and respect the land you live on, what does it matter if GW is a hoax or not. All of us should aspire to leave as small a footprint on this planet as we can. Gore IS a hypocrite, but then again aren’t we all?
The point is - what if all the climate change going on right now is our fault, by the time we all agree it will be too late to go back and change the way we live right now.
The ways to fight GW are common sense, things we used to do as people but because of laziness and commercialism we don’t do them anymore. Ride your bike, eat local foods, by local products - make your friends rich not the corporations (don’t let wally world make them go out of business). You and our planet will be healthier.

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